So is everyone supposed to just pitch their tent on the sidewalk? Light some garbage on fire, and drink their beer... Seriously, where are 60 people supposed to sleep? Or are you just assuming not everyone will want to come and this is just a private party to try and get rid of the M&G?
Me, I havent gone drinking at the bar in a looong time. Maybe thats because I have no friends
Hmmmm Regardless, its a waste of money. It's fun in the moment and all, buying rounds, shooting pool, and meeting strangers but in the morning im sick and my pockets are empty. Maybe im just getting old but nowadays I stay clear of the whole bar scene. The more I think about it, the more the idea of having a M&G at a bar or any kind of venue sucks. Here's why. Cant bring your dog or kid. Besides the problem of nowhere to sleep, then youre forced to spend your last remaining cash on a taxi, then you have to wake up in some dingy *** motel room to the sound of ashuma pounding on the door. Then you have to travel to the crag. Then youre faced with the problem of even finding the crag that you faintly remember your group of friends talking about the night before. Then you gotta cross your fingers you arent the only one who shows up? A lot of the approaches, unless you've been there before, are tough to find. This plan is so full of fail. For those who arent from Seoul good luck with that.
Next if Im going to drink, first off I like buying my liquor at Costco. Get a bottle or two and a case of beer. Second I like drinking by a campfire and staring at the coals, not blinking strobe lights. But most of all I like waking up in the morning to the sound of the river, fresh air, and nobody pounding on my ******* door or being in some random persons apartment. Also I like walking down to the river and cooling off to get rid of my hangover. Walking a few hundred meters to start climbing is just icing on the cake. You guys can drink in Itaewon if you want. Good luck in the morning
Lastly. Instead of trying to change the M&G and ruin it for everyone because "you' dont like it, how about you dont come! That way, there's less people and you accomplish your goal by making it smaller. Someone has already said there were something like 10 people who arent coming. I thought the whole problem was the large number of people? Sounds like the problem has already been solved. Let people decide for themselves if they want to go or not. Dont try to change the M&G for your own political reason (ie. environmental reasons and what not) Instead dont come. It will be better without you. We'll all make a pact while sitting around the fire that what happens at M&G stays at the M&G. That way you'll have no worries and the world will just keep right on spinning. No more unneeded drama. No more 10 page threads about nothing. Some of you people here are seriously sick. There's no way in HELL having a M&G is having ANY "environmental impact". Climber PLEASE. Reduce the numbers by not coming and solve your own imaginary problem. Dont get everyone else involved. Have your little get together in Itaewon and leave everyone else alone. If enough people feel the same way you do, then there wont be anyone at the M&G. Just let everyone make up there own mind and stop pushing your own agenda by making a list of bs reasons why everyone shouldnt meet. Post your trip in the trip planner section on the same weekend as the M&G and be done with it. Dont make a pole as if it matters. If 10 people want to meet in Itaewon then 10 people will meet in Itaewon. If 10 people want to meet at the crag and camp then 10 people will meet at the crag. Just make your own plan in the trip report. Dont make a pole and call this a democracy like it the vote even matters. And most of all you dont have to start pulling at straws to try and persuade people to go with your idea. This has nothing to do with a democracy and having a vote. This is one very small group of people trying to get rid of the M&G for everyone and theyre doing it by knocking the M&G. I dont even go to the M&G but now im more ready than ever to have a traditional M&G just for the sake of keeping it alive. How dare you try to divide people by making people choose. Make your own special occasion. Call it something else. People can go drinking in the city anytime they want. But camping with every KOTR'r in korea only happens once. How dare you try and take that away from future KOTR's.
Here's the top 5 reasons I've gathered so far in this thread as to why and NOT have the M&G.
1. Too much poop-
Again, remember people. Mentally Ill. I couldnt make this up if I tried.
2. Too much noise-
Usually its the people here who are complaining who are making the most noise playing the banjo all night.
It's a campsite. Believe it or not in the morning every other campsite looks the same. The garbage will be cleaned up. Believe me there is some old lady just dieing to get her hands on ANY recyclables. Rest of the trash can go in the fire at night or large garbage bag in the morning.
4. Safety- Dont the M&G's have a perfect safety record? Making things up are we? Havent the few accidents that have occurred, happened in the presence of a small group of people?
And last my favorite.
5. "environmental impact"- sounds scary right. Impact. As if we are all going to explode and create a crater in the earth. The "impact" of us all is going to dislodge the ecosystem. OR 60 people will all magically (at the same time) have a sudden urge to choose the same spot to take a dump. I dont know about you guys but if I gotta take a dump I go across the bridge and sit on the toilet. If im at Seonunsong I go in the morning. Most of the time I dont even take a dump but every other day. Im willing to wager money that NO ONE takes a dump outside at Ganghyeon and maybe 1 or 2 at seonunsong.
One last thing. Why not just make the M&G during the chuseok holiday every year instead of confusing things with a vote? Rotate it between Ganhyeon up north in the fall, seonunsung down south in the spring.